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Vista Whoes, or why XP is better imo

Mon Apr 14, 2008, 7:25 PM
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Lo, currently a bit slacking off with 3d, been trying Vista this and that way, and quite honestly... this is going to get a Rant

When i started using Vista i was happy, nice GUI, nice Install, no bothersome things.. i Disabled about 20 of the services that start each time (esp UAC,Defender,Windows Security, Firewall etc...) To streamline as much as possible from the OS, i also had SP1 installed...

I currently have a q6600 @ 2.7ghz, 2GB DDR2 Ram running at 1200 MHZ and a Nvidia 8800gt.... As you may notice one could call that pretty "high end"

My XP is tuned beyond understanding, without any app open it uses not even 200mb ram, leaving a whopping 1800 MB Ram for usage.. more than enough for anything i do (3d mainly :p)

Vista on the other hand, uses 600mb, yes.. thats the lowest possible i got it to go (actually more like 640) so now one could say, thats ok... if it wouldnt impact daily work, average performance etc...

-- Start of Rant -- After 7 days quite constant use of Vista 64bit i encountered the following things

1) Framerates in all aplications constantly and quite consistent about 20% lower, and more than that, games which run at the SAME SETTINGS absolutely smooth in max details under dx9 (crysis, World in conflict) began to randomly stutter and become slower and slower under Vista and DX10 , with no apparant visual difference, my bet is on a broken DX10 render path... but here im just guessing

2) Theres no way, and i do mean NO WAY, to actually force a set refresh rate for your screen under Vista, using a CAD approved CRT with absolute color trueness? Well no with vista you aint, not beyond 60hz anyway, the desktop settings do work, and SOME applications will happily work (and use) the desktop refresh rate, but theres also these apps, especially High Profile games "for windows" that have a set refresh rate of 60hz (vista, bioshock... and so on)

3) Even with all things disabled that you can disable safely, Vista uses about 3 times as much Ram as XP, with no feature gain (mind you, the feature gain would come at a ram cost beyond that)

4) The OS Hibernation mode is extremely slow, thinking of using the sleep mode like you are used from XP ? Be prepared that when you forgot that its on sleep and accidently press the power button, the boot time is about 5 minutes+ the normal

5) The os entering sleep mode can not recover if you end the sleep mode before it completely finishes (works fine in xp, like if you accidently hit sleep instead of shutdown or reboot ;)

6) Rendering Performance, contra to the many completely odd reviews i found so far, is about 0% faster under Vista 64bit than under XP 32 Bit, the advice here is to render and model on XP since you will likely not have 400mb ram to randomly spare for no gains

7) Very odd file copy behavior, i sadly can point out that the rumours about extremely odd behaviour under Vista when copying stuff are in fact true, The Time to move and copy things can sometimes, for no apparant reason skyrocket (what under xp takes 4 minutes will sudenly take 20 in vista ~.~)

8) Driver Support... 64bit.. whats more to say? Nvidia's driver for Vista are horrible, if you plan on using them on dx10 games be sure what you do... Crashes and BSOD's i can not report, but graphic errors in dx10 games (Assassins Creed, Crysis) aswell as flickering issues (shadows..) | Also be prepared that some obscure stuff you will have a hard time to get working :(

END OF RANT

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I do not dislike Vista, but XP is staying my main OS until the worlds end or Linux gets a grip (For 3d tasks anyway ;p)

Anyone else similiar experiences with Vista?

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Main reasons I hate Vista are..

1 - Resource hog (like you said)

2 - DRM

'nuff said.. ;P

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"Gotta' get me a machine gun so I can clean the house!" - ME
Also something concerning Crysis, theres an DX10 Feature unlocker which lets you enable the very high settings on dx9 (since its basicly a ripoff anyway, theres no a single true dx10 only effect in crysis)

So my complains are related to compared XP Crysis VERY HIGH and VISTA Crysis VERY HIGH settings, the performance in crysis was alot worse, funnily even when running the dx9 exe with the same unlocker under vista, with no gain in visual quality under dx10 (if you have a custom cfg then even more so)
Oh my, i totally forgot about DRM heh, well i got poked at for randomly bashing vista so i had to try it myself (i tried along time before allready, before SP1, and that was quite a horrible xperience)

Anyway i had to get this of my mind, sorry for wasting time ;)
Yeah, I have Visa on my laptop. Got it about 6 months after Vista came out. I am not a fan. Luckily I only use my laptop for browsing, email and watching Netflix and web videos on my tv. I use my desktop with XP for all my serious stuff. If they add DRM to the next version of Windows and it sucks like the shit that's on Vista.. I'm moving to Mac or Linux. I like to rip my DVD's and store them on the HD for easy viewing. Unfortunately Vistas DRM fucks it up for me half the time. I've about had it with Microsoft. :(

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"Gotta' get me a machine gun so I can clean the house!" - ME
everything you said is true, i don't deny it, but there are some things that have to be added...
...first of all there are some games that actually run FASTER under vista (i.e.: TES IV: Oblivion - great game btw)
...also vista (as far as I can tell) was meant to be a resource hog, as it was meant to run on REALLY high end computers.
my dell xps has 4gb ram (and my cinema4D loves every single mb), and vista hardly troubles me at all.
...and my hibernation was nice (until i accidentally got rid of it :P)

fact is, that sp1 didn't change squat (except maybe the time it takes to copy files, that's gotten a bit faster).
i dunno if you experienced vista before sp1, but there is really hardly any difference.

however, all of this still makes me say: xp, yay, vista, nay!

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pardon a question from the ignorant, but what is DRM ?


Your tales of Vista pretty much match up with every other tale of Vista I have heard.
Your not alone dude. My wifes laptop has that fucking boot problem as well. And the hibernation issue, to be honest I dont know if the thing has EVER been full turned off because of this.

Also the ram thing, yeah, same thing with her laptop as well, she has 2 gigs in the bloody thing and when using it my old shit box acer machine with 512 ram runs better (granted its running xp but still). Also the copy thing I noticed YESTERDAY when backing up her work but I walked away from the thing to finish what I was doing on my iMac so I have no clue how long vista took to move files to one of the external drives I own.
DRM is Digital Rights Management, its what basicly sits 100% of the time in your background services (in the form of Audio/Video protection modules) and watches what you do, or rather decides what you cant do on your own pc

Vista has been built from the ground up with DRM in mind, and everything that you can imagine to be rights controlled, is actually in Vista (even the DVD-Reading/Playing, sound, video.. graphics, even pictures and files can be DRM protected within Vista) I hear this is the main reason for the slow copy performance too
Yeah that Hibernation issue is quite a bummer, youd think someone at MS would catch that one? ^^

Im surprised nobody agreed with my refresh rate complaint though, that bug is around since win 3.11 and its still "a feature" of windows... heh although i guess here nvidia dropped the ball too

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